Brothers of Arms

[Idaho]

BS’s Manifestation of Sun can reduce incoming healing by 10 %, can it be of some use here?

[Kendar]

BS’s Manifestation of Sun can reduce incoming healing by 10 %, can it be of some use here?

Yes it can, and should be feated by Bear Shamans entering this fight

[Gert]

Yes - Demos have their Blistering Wounds debuff, Rangers have similar via Fire Stance and BS's should be using MoS on Ixion to help soften his healing on himself...

[Jeremy]

How about next time we check if we got both the demo and guard under control by having only the tanks and healers, that should be on them when the pom comes up, fight them at the start for like 5 mins; No dps during those 5 mins might also ensure dps doesnt get killed by agro changes...

would be some good training

[Atkara]

I know hehe. After all, I was the one who threw that idea over vent, immediately after out last TAS run.

With just Brilliance heals coming from Ixion, it should work flawlessly. They only thing to cause a potential problem, would be his Grim Lance. Also, their total HP is shown in percentage, not plain numbers -as it is for every single mob out there.

If he does them respectively to Kharon & Daimone (first to Kharon, then to Daimone), it's only a matter of how much % HP this Grim Lance really gives to either boss. If Ixion has a random behavior when it comes to which one of those 2 to heal, we might as well be in trouble.

In any case, we've got good reasons to try and wipe* over it. It'll give us a good reading on the HP percentage Grim Lance actually adds up to either Daimone or Kharon, and an equally good insight on Ixion's healing habits

May the Force be with us all

*There's no shame in wiping, when you're doing it to actually learn from it

[Mistery]

From the 3 runs I joined last night I noticed a couple of things. Daimone (aka the guard boss) has a problem with aggro which maybe caused the wipe of the raid on the last two tries . After his (or is it a she) knockback he resets his aggro. If at that moment a ranged DPS-er pulls the aggro before the other tank does he moves to the middle, enrages Kharon and ..... couple of tanks die.

So next time it might be wise to let the balancing of the healup fase be done by melee dps. Leave a sin behind on Daimone to do dps when needed. Sins can survive a couple of hits (Sniff could handle some last night ).

More comments follow when I have more time.

[Gert]

Thanks for that Mist

Problem was we only had the 1 melee dps last night unfortunately - another sin and barb (or hox) and we would have been a bit more balanced between caster and melee dps.

Was good to get back in and get Ixion up so people could get back into it - hopefully next time our dps is more balanced between melee and caster ;p

[Jeremy]

Some ideas from a friend in BoB and the runs I have done recently ... we dont have to follow this offcourse just some food for thought

raid composition: 3 Dt's, 3 Guards, 2 conqs, 3 demos, 3 necros, 6 healers, 1xranger, 3xmellee

Only DT's on demo using dread shadow, thing to do seems to be: take agro put out dread shadow, dread shadow dies, next DT goes in takes agro puts out DS etc etc, healing as normal since the DS also heals.

What I havent seen, but what my friend says is leave 1 group on both demo and guard, and 2 groups on pom. Pom should die before guard and demo get back to full health (added DPS of Demos and Necros probably). 2xGuard on POM, Guard and Conq on Guard, 3 dts on demo. (Conq backup?) Focus on getting the POM down as quickly as possible and everyone hug him as if he was the honorguard !

So what that would come down to:
GR1 = 3xDTs, 1xPOM,1xBS,1xDemo (on demo at all times)
GR2 = 1xGuard, 1xConq, 1xBS, 1xTos, 1xDemo, 1xMelee (on guard at all times)
GR3 = 2xGuard, 1xPom, 2x Melee, 1xConq (first on Guard switch to POM, soldier go frenzy on guard)
GR4 = 1xDemo, 3xNecro, 1xTos, 1xRanger (first on Demo switch to POM)
If the demos (or necros) left on demo and guard swap DPS to whomever is highest then we should be able to keep them even....

Also I have heared full dps but no spellweaving (although with 2 guard on POM think we should be able to)

Again just some ideas I got from seeing the action and from this guy....

Oh another thing, dont know if we have been doing this... On the guard the 2 soldiers swapping aggro after knockback should be on opposite ends, dps can then hug the guard on the 2 ends left without getting knocked back. would look like this:
DPS
Guard Boss Conq
DPS

[Gert]

Bah - guess I have work out a DS spec then for Sunday

Hoping we get some more melee dps than we had last time...it's seems feasible we can do these now, just need some time in there to refine our methods

[Jeremy]

Not from experience though that DS tactic... but might be worth a shot ..

[Gert]

I know other guilds use it...DS can eat an Incinerate or 2 then switch (and a DT can 1 or 2 Incinerates as well)...this seems to be a common DS build for TAS...

Just depends if all DTs have DS

[Gert]

After using DS last night in T3, I'd say 2 DTs with DS could handle Kharon...my DS was eating 2-3 incinerates (and ocassionly a 4th); only downside was it did get fire storm a couple of times which was a bit of a pain.

I normally triggered DS when I saw the tank before get Incinerate - this would normally mean that they wouldn't get a 2nd one stacking...but we can do the fight without DS as well

[monarxis]

One dt with pet is enough +the pet can hold 2-3 incinerates because pet start losing health and that means os (i was the one who take 3-4 incinerates few times not your pet Gert ) the problem as you say ..if the pet take agro after the boss cast incinerate will probably take the fire storm up to it.... but we had lags spikes too tho.
Without pet we need 3 tanks all the time

[Mistery]

Needing less tanks means more DPS and that is really useful for the next fights. The guard can be done by two tanks also. Fes and me didn't have much trouble, tho we lost aggro for one or two hits sometimes after his KB's but that's part of the deal (and probably gets better in future). Looks like two DT's with DS can manage Kharon and two tanks (2 conqs?) on Ixion should be doable also.

[Jeremy]

2 DT's were doing fine and the Dread shadow tact worked good, I suppose you guys were also more carefull taking the agro of the DS (I noticed I did a few times) ? What exactly is the cooldown, maximum uptime and casting time on DS ?

The Pom is quite a bitch to keep agro on, can try with 2 conqs offcourse then we would make our way back to a balanced raid (2 of each class) aswell which I still think is better.
Think it is better to mix: Guard and Conq on GuardBoss and Guard and Conq on PomBoss if you also have them in the same group then they also complement each others buffs (or at least the Conq buffs complement the Guard).

Once we have done this a few times with guard and demo getting back to 100% we could try killing the Pom before the other 2 get to 100%

[monarxis]

1min cd and 10s duration

[Jeremy]

hmmm I wonder did someone run ACT ? (or have the combat log, so I can import?)
is there a certain rhytm to the incinerates ? (minimum time between casts ?)

[Gert]

What exactly is the cooldown, maximum uptime and casting time on DS ?

1 min cooldown and 15 seconds uptime - just checked and TimeExists is 15...think they extended it when they moved it from the combo to a spell; only issue with it is the firestorm here but working on that

[monarxis]

Use goad or seal and irritate so you will lock for few secs Kharon on you when firestorm is up there.